And Some Other people on Smut vs Porn vs Erotica vs Kinkiness

So link-chasing from this, and this, it seems other people have been talking about this erotica vs porn thing.

“We fuck us,” you all say.  All you people out there reading.  “No fucking way.  Really?  Because, just…  What a surprise.  Seriously, we none of us ever thought…”

Yes.  I’m not sure why you’re all so sarcastic in my head.   Anyways.

So obviously people have talked about this, because people have been talking about this probably since Ug drew a penis on a stick figure on a cave wall in 30,000 BC and then Garg got all offended and said it was obscene and take it down.

On this most recent occasion, KD West said words, and also found this, which is both funny and educational.  And like the narrator in the youtube thingy, I am somewhat surprised by some of those figures.  Assuming they aren’t like 82% of statistics and made up on the spot, of course.  Not actually by the bondage one, to be honest, because of those seventy million copies of fifty shades floating around.  But I actually am by the low stats for, um, things your menfolk may nag you into doing.  In all their forms.  But now I’m thinking I may know people with naggier partners than some.  Or who are naggier partners.  Or I just misjudge other people horribly.  So perhaps not.

Um.  I think I just digressed…

So the erotica and porn thing.  KD said words, which led to a google group been talking of this, in case anyone wants to join in, and and this blog post, by one of the people in the google group, which I think is what started their discussion.  Which I’m not going to join in with because those two together both look, um, like they know what the fuck they’re talking about, and I don’t.

But one thing that was said, about writing down your own fight in bed, made me think.  Not to actually try it, because of how partner would totally fucking kill me if I ever did.

But in a thought experiment, if you did actually just write down a story that was a fight you’d had in bed, or for that matter, what you did in bed, I think that might be porn.  Because it would be voyeuristic, right?   Because writing down what actually happens wouldn’t be that much different to filming it, or letting people watch it.

Even if you did it as a serious non-fiction thing about a couple’s intimate relationship, it would be kind of a voyeuristic non-fiction thing, by design, not some kind of interpreted art.

Because it’s just what happened.  With no explanation and no narrative.

Which is pretty much what porn would be.

So the defining quality of porn might be its voyeurism without interpretation.  Which then nicely loops back to the old-school confessional dirty stories and readers letters and all that kind of thing.  Because that’s essentially what those claim to be, an account written down as it happened.  And I assume they would count as porn.Which I think is rather clever and elegant, and I’m proud of that thought.

But now I’m going to stop because I just completely read and brain-dumped for an hour and I’ll probably realize half of this is shit tomorrow and I’m not making sense.

Although I think I quite like the idea of putting words in all your collective mouths and then talking back to you.  I might start doing that more often.

Hurried update to cover my ass: naggy partner is not actual partner.  There is no naggy partner, that was from talking with other people about theirs, and even if there was, actual partner isn’t it.  Actual partner is kind and loving and does not nag.  Ever.  Just to be clear on that.

Fuck I can put my foot in it update: partner is also not actually going to totally kill me, even if I do something really awful.  Just to be clear on that.  In my head I like to think you all worry.

2 thoughts on “And Some Other people on Smut vs Porn vs Erotica vs Kinkiness

  1. So the defining quality of porn might be its voyeurism without interpretation.
    Um. Yes.

    naggy partner is not actual partner.
    Understood. :-)

  2. > So the defining quality of porn might be its voyeurism without interpretation.
    > Um. Yes.

    Meh, so it is actually obvious, but I thought it was clever. It was late, what can I say. :)

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